*** ( NOTE : This is a follow-on of the artcle titled : “Putting the Sichuan Quake into Perspective“. This 2nd article is NOT meant to be a stand-alone article. I would therefore highly recommend you read that article before starting this one. The 1st article is only 1 page long, and should provide the context in which this article should be viewed ) *** ( click here to read the 1st article )
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I like to take this opportunity to thank my readers for your comments on my 1st article, many of which did not appear on the comments section of my blog, but instead on other blogsites, perhaps appropriately so.
The purpose of this article is to answer some of the questions raised in those comments. The format it will take is a series of Q & A. The questions/comments (Q) are summaries of readers’ own questions and comments. They are followed by my answers/responses.
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Q1 : “You are defending the government“
The article should not be viewed as a “defence” of anyone. I did not say there are no poorly constructed buildings in China, neither have I said there is no corruption in China. The purpose of the article was to provide an alternate view. One supported by data rather than emotions.
It is worth noting that I have constructed this blogsite as a platform for raising alternate views to challenge the mainstream believes and values. Since China is a constant target of vilification by the media, ALL articles on this site will therefore naturally carry an inherent “defensive” appearance. It is however NOT the purpose of my articles to defend, but to inform.
Q2 : “The protestors only want names of the dead children, not the 90,000 as you quoted“
The motivation behind the demand for the name list is to reveal the number of children killed. If the authorities were to give the names of, let’s say, 30,000. There is no prove the remaining 60,000 or so do not include children. Some of the activists stirring up emotions of the parents do not give the appearance of someone who would stop before the WHOLE “truth” is revealed. It is highly unlikely they would voluntarily stop before having 90,000 names.
As I said in the article, I have never known of any governments in the world that have released name lists of natural disasters resulting in deaths of that magnitude. I don’t think China would be any different.
Part of the reason no governments in the world has done that may be the difficulty of giving names to a body with no head, or a head with no face. How do you give a name to a pair of legs that don’t match other bodies?
Q3 : “The buildings WERE poorly constructed“
No-one has ever said there are no poorly constructed buildings in China. I do not know of any developing country with no shoddy buildings.
But that is beside the point. If it was just about shoddy buildings, there would probably be no confrontations between the protestors and the authorities. And we would not be debating here today. There are plenty of shoddy buildings all over the developing world. No-one in their right mind would deny that.
The issue here is the activists are trying to link the deaths to government corruption, and direct their anger towards the government, thus creating the trigger for large scale unrest.
Q4 : “Why did some schools collapse while buildings around it remain intact“
If there are school collapses while buildings around them remain “intact”, then I would agree that they need to be investigated. And I have no doubt the authorities are already doing just that.
But let us not automatically come to the conclusion that ALL suspicious building collapses are results of corruption. There are plenty of possible causes for buildings to collapse, one of which is of course possible corruption. But without knowing the details, there should be no reason to rule out other possibilities. One thing that comes to mind is the fact that schools are often surrounded by much smaller buildings. These would naturally occupy less land, and therefore have a much lower chance of sitting on a rupture in the earth’s surface caused by the quake.
There are just too many possibilities to list here, including poor workmanship and/or poor design unrelated to corruption; unauthorised extensions and modifications to the buildings after construction; etc.
Q5 : “The government doesn’t allow parents the chance to mourn“
No, that is not true. No parents have ever been denied the chance to mourn. In fact, the government has been playing a central and indispensible role in the long road of rehabilitation, both financially and spiritually. Mourning has always been encouraged, protests are not.
Q6 : “The government is cruel and over-reacting to parents’ demands“
If the activists did not try to link the deaths to government corruption, and fan public anger towards the government, I dare say the whole thing would turn out in a very different way. As I mentioned in the article, there is no reason for the government to be scared of statistics.
What would clearly be more worrying however for the government is not the parents and any well meaning people, but the anti-China groups fanning the flames and taking advantage of the situation. Afterall this IS a once in a lifetime chance for those groups to cause potentially huge scale upheaval in China. It would be completely illogical to think that they would not make use of such an opportunity. And the Chinese government clearly knows that.
Q7 : “Is the CCP trying to protect corrupt local officials in Sichuan“
Many people have the impression that China protects corrupt officials. This is despite the fact that in the last decade alone, thousands of corrupt officials in China have fled the country. Clearly, if corrupt officials are protected, there is no reason to flee.
The central government in China has been fiercely fighting corruption for the most part of this decade, and has made many significant inroads in many areas in the last 5 years. Unfortunately none of this is reported in the Western media.
With the international limelight firmly set on China, and with the parents demanding answers, it has provided the perfect opportunity for the central government to clamp down on local authorities in Sichuan. It is hard to imagine President Hu and Premier Wen would give this opportunity a miss.
The fact that activists are not allowed to continue their protests is not in any way related to whether or not the government clamps down on corruption.
Q8 : “So what is the correct way forward“
In my opinion, if the protestors simply want to put pressure on the government to investigate and punish corrupt local officials, they have already achieved their goal. It should be time to move on and let the government do its job.
The continuation of the protests would not only cause trouble for the protesters themselves, but ironically would have the opposite effect of forcing the government into an unconstructive defensive position. It would also take the government’s eyes off fighting corruption to concentrate on legitimate national secuity issues.
The recent riots in Tibet would be child’s play compared to the potential unrest that would follow if the current situation is not handled carefully. With the very real possibility of anti-China groups fanning large scale mayhem, the Chinese government would have no choice but to clamp down hard on all dissent.
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Concluding Remark :
Perhaps it would help to understand that we all live within the confines of our own environment. We may not like what is ahead, but we can only choose the best path out of the available options. In the case of the parents, the best path in practical terms in my opinion would be to move on and accept the government’s help in rebuilding their lives.
If there was one thing I could tell my friends in Sichuan, it would be this :
“Understand that it was a miracle that you have just survived a force equivalent to 560 atom bombs while many didn’t survive 1 in Hiromshima. Perhaps it was NOT the dead who were unlucky, but it was YOU who were UNBELIEVABLY lucky”
I can also confirm that there were several arrests of local communist city officials that fled the area in fear after the earthquake. While I understand their personal fear, they had a duty that went with their important positions.
You would never see such a thing here in America. It is refreshing to me to see these “leaders” that abandoned their people in a very important time of need held accountable for their actions.
Then, to witness Premier Wen risk his own life to personally lead the rescue effort (even as the aftershocks continued in the 100’s) was nothing short of inspirational.
I’ll continue to say it – whatever anyone thinks of the Chinese federal government, they have done an unbelievably great job of coordinating this relief and rebuilding effort.
I’m an American, and I have absolutely NO reason to be saying these things other than I was there, and I know first-hand that what I am saying is true. I am a witness.
Thank you very much Michael.
We need more people such as yourself to give the other side of the story, especially people with 1st hand experience.
(PS. Hope your business in Chengdu is still going well )
ad Unfortunately none of this is reported in the Western media
i think none is not correct number, in western media except news about arrested and executed you could find also http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8051488.stm
No, “Real Name”.
Your link proves my point. And that is, the mainstream media is heavily biased. How often do you see a report in the Western media that tells you the good work that the Chinese government has done?
there is question how often you see good news at all
from western media i remember beijing official case, shanghai official case, sahara trip case, olympics fraud
or also public vs official with expensive watches
just first ones i recalled in minute
why ordinary people can believe without strong hand must everything collapse, own opinion leads to state destruction and everywhere behind trees are anti-china groups hidden?
generaly problem of corruption is old, endless and worldwide, solution is transparency and public control
where is possible easy access to things you must now fight for eliminates problems the best way
(please take this like general comments to 7 and 8 points style)
“Real Name”,
Re : “everywhere behind trees are anti-china groups hidden?”
Perhaps you don’t agree with this, but China isn’t unique. Most other major powers work the same way. It’s just that you don’t see it, and when you see it, you don’t recognize it. The world isn’t as innocent as you think.
Most of the major turbulences in China happen in a process that seem to follow some kind of pattern. It does make people wonder.
Anyway, have a look at this link :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5927557.ece
This is just the tip of an iceberg.
you made me laughing
is part of your alternative view defeat of censorship?
do you think such chatting could destroy normal system?
are you ready to accept communist equality between party and contry?
problem here is act of hiding of information caused present system and it is problem for them
are you in your understanding fighting on anti-west front?
today chinese people are programatically misinformed but this does not mean when one day will censorship disapear everyone become professor of history
btw. one of the first information something happens in china 20 years ago i had from china international radio
turbulences in China follow social problems, it was in 89, it was in 08
Hold your fire Real name.
Chan didn’t say there were anti-China groups hiding behind every tree!
anyway there are two sentences with them
what is for me kind of paranoia similar to refusing japan flight with aid material to earthquake area
i’m disapointed with this article continuting, anyway holding my fire and do not reacting to more points
i’m sorry but similar formulations i was listening during my youth times daily:
there are dark anti-socialist powers and without brave communist party leadership will come end of the world soon
just in that time in my country nearly no one believed to it
@Mr McCroskey
Are u still in Chengdu now? How are things there now?
“Real Name”,
(1) RE : “are you in your understanding fighting on anti-west front?”
- No, I am not anti-west. Just anti- Western media.
(2) RE : “turbulences in China follow social problems, it was in 89, it was in 08″
- No, I was talking about the process of developement within each of the major turbulence.
(3) RE : “today chinese people are programatically misinformed”
- Well “Real Name”, people in the West are also “programatically misinformed”. If you had access to information from a few politically and culturally dissimilar media sources, perhaps you will know what I mean.
1. fine, than you can accept they are also not anti-chinese, just anti-chinese censorship
2. maybe (later) you can be more concrete
3. yes, can understand what you mean, but hope you also understand chinese are ‘more protected against facts’, even can see progress also there
RE : “they are also not anti-chinese, just anti-chinese censorship”
No, I was specifically referring to anti-China groups in the article (and in my later response to you).
But please understand I was of course not referring to you. I am sure you are just anti- Chinese censorship.
Perhaps you should read my article again. Maybe you misunderstood my comments.
i see there is another misunderstanding
in my 1. i mean chatting people from your link (timesonline)
many western media have lower information level generaly, but having no state-party controled media or education i do not see any special direction here even naturaly some average can find
comparing my country media in present time with my youth time they very good and free now, usualy making great control of goverment
unfortunalely they foreign scope is small and also news about china (india, japan, …) are usualy poor and short
Panda,
My trips back and forth to Chengdu are about 2 weeks every 90 days, at present. My next visit back will be at the end of June or the beginning of July, depending on me finding a decent price on a flight lol.
I do miss the huo guo, though!
Well, actually, they ARE anti-China groups.
They are not just anti- censorship. According to that report, they go online pretending to be (Han) Chinese to spread messages against China.
But I am of course NOT passing judgement as to whether they are good or bad people. It is up to you to decide. But they are not just anti-censorship.
According to that report, they go online pretending to be (Han) Chinese to spread messages against China?
probably you have diffrent report than i was reading
I guess I understand what you are saying.
Whether it is “against China” or not depends on our perspectives. As for myself as a Chinese, I would of course prefer China not to break up. And that is quite normal. And thus, any attempt to do otherwise would automatically be viewed as “anti-China” (from our side of the fence).
But again, I am NOT saying they are bad people. I have never met them.
that is again common chinese propaganda schema: tibetians = break up china
it is already not so simple as chinese know from their press
NO, not at all. In fact, that shows how much YOU are influenced by YOUR country’s propaganda.
In China, Tibetans are NOT “= break up of China” as you’ve put it.
You should get a satellite TV that can pick up Chinese TV programs, and SEE for yourself instead of blindly accusing us all the time.
In the Chinese media, almost EVERYTHING they say about present-day Tibet and Tibetan people are ALWAYS positive things ONLY. But they of course don’t do the same for the Tibetan separatists. They are NOT the same thing.
i do not feel any country-related propaganda here
right, official line keeping tibetians are showed positively
just in chinese media is all around dalailama or unrests in tibet marked like separatist activity, if not always than nearly so
do not feel = one way information only, various opinions are present here
Ok. Understood.
(By the way, I will be posting another article here in 2 or 3 days. The topic is democracy. Please feel free to come back and comment then)